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a full fiscal cliff, a bunny slope or something in the middle, a fiscal slide. and i think that's where we're headed. we believe it will be in the neighborhood of 1.5% of gdp in fiscal adjustment and i think that's obviously better than the full lack of 4.5. and it's better than -- worse than something that wouldn't make too much difference. 1.5 will make an important difference still. >> and what's in that 1.5% in terms of tax hikes and spending cuts? >> probably are going to be a brunch of different things in it, but the main thing that will be close to 1% of u.s. gdp is the expiring of the payroll tax cut. both sides of the aisle agree on that. it will fall disproceportiona a on middle income households. >> and instead of the bush tax cuts for example which are a decade old, these were meant as very specific kind of post financial crisis stimulus. so they appear to be going away. but as you say, there will be a mathematical hit to gdp because of that. is the economy strong enough to handle that hit? >> well, we reckon the economy is probably growing somewhere
a full fiscal cliff, a bunny slope or something in the middle, a fiscal slide. and i think that's where we're headed. we believe it will be in the neighborhood of 1.5% of gdp in fiscal adjustment and i think that's obviously better than the full lack of 4.5. and it's better than -- worse than something that wouldn't make too much difference. 1.5 will make an important difference still. >> and what's in that 1.5% in terms of tax hikes and spending cuts? >> probably are going to be a...
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they don't want to go over the fiscal cliff. they don't necessarily think the difference is separating these two sides are unbridgeable or unrealistic. they can work out a deal. they have to be adults and be serious and make concessions to the other side and you won't get 100% of what you want. that's the art of compromise. in order to avoid a disaster, the mandatory spending cuts and domestic spending and defense spending, the mandatory increases across the board taxes from everyone if we go over that fiscal cliff, you got to compromise. there's nothing wrong with compromise. to some liberals on the far left, conservatives on the far right, compromise is a dirty word. you should never compromise with the other side. they hate that. they rather go over the fiscal cliff but the overwhelming majority of americans totally disagree with those hard line positions on the extreme left and the extreme right. they want to compromise and they want a deal and they want the president and john boehner, the republican leadership and democrati
they don't want to go over the fiscal cliff. they don't necessarily think the difference is separating these two sides are unbridgeable or unrealistic. they can work out a deal. they have to be adults and be serious and make concessions to the other side and you won't get 100% of what you want. that's the art of compromise. in order to avoid a disaster, the mandatory spending cuts and domestic spending and defense spending, the mandatory increases across the board taxes from everyone if we go...
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we need to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> one thing you want javier to agree to, to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> we need to have the spending cuts. >> give me an example? >> well, it is looking at the spending, entitlement reform, and growth in government. the president is moving in the wrong direction. he proposed higher taxes than he ever said during the campaign, more stimulus, more spending, that's moving us in the wrong direction. >> go ahead and respond. >> how much spending cuts do we want to see? i could tally up for you right now, $3 trillion with the spending cuts that we already enacted in law in the last year and a half. $1 trillion that came from the budget control act that was passed a year ago, that said a trillion dollars has to start coming up now, and that has begun. another trillion dollars which is going to be enacted through the sequester. we still have them. and we can move forward. that's another trillion, 1.2 trillion. let me give you the other 800 billion. we cut -- democrats without a republican vote, $716 billion in -- and we found $716 billion in savings through m
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and trying to figure out every last move in the fiscal cliff? do you worry about that from your colleagues in the house? >> well, i've got to tell you, i've been here 18 years. this is going to be a negotiation between the president of the united states and house speaker john boehner. and so we have engaged in some charades over the last 18 years where we all like pretend to be working in our offices, but we're not doing anything to get this done because there's nothing we can do. this is going to be a discussion between the top leaders of the house and the white house. and when they signal -- sort of like the pope being elected. when the white smoke comes out of the capitol, we can come back and execute the deal. >> wow, i don't know how i feel about the whole pope reference, talking about congress. >> that's better than being sentenced to church, i guess. >> i suppose that is true. and, in fact, that's going to be our next story. steve latourette, always nice to have you. when you're in new york, we would love to have you come and sit down wit
and trying to figure out every last move in the fiscal cliff? do you worry about that from your colleagues in the house? >> well, i've got to tell you, i've been here 18 years. this is going to be a negotiation between the president of the united states and house speaker john boehner. and so we have engaged in some charades over the last 18 years where we all like pretend to be working in our offices, but we're not doing anything to get this done because there's nothing we can do. this is...
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so that will put him front and center in the fiscal cliff debate. also earns him a meeting today with the current treasury secretary, tim geithner. cnn's kate ballolduan on capito hill, day 33, eek, 33 days, tim geithner kicking into this process. we would assume possibly pushing into high gear or more of a photo op or a little bit of both? >> reporter: it remains to be seen. i hate having to say that for our viewers, but we're waiting to hear exactly what comes out of these meetings. important, nonetheless, because these are face-to-face meetings with principle players, timothy guide next the treasury secretary, tapped by the president to be the point person to spearhead the negotiations with congress over these fiscal cliff negotiations. we had had a brief shot of him arriving this morning as he was coming into the capitol. he's being joined by rob neighbors, the white house liaison to congress. he's a man that has long standing relationships with folks on capitol hill. series of meetings, all individual meetings, senator reid, told by my colleagu
so that will put him front and center in the fiscal cliff debate. also earns him a meeting today with the current treasury secretary, tim geithner. cnn's kate ballolduan on capito hill, day 33, eek, 33 days, tim geithner kicking into this process. we would assume possibly pushing into high gear or more of a photo op or a little bit of both? >> reporter: it remains to be seen. i hate having to say that for our viewers, but we're waiting to hear exactly what comes out of these meetings....
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do not cooperate with the fiscal cliff idea. rebel and say just extend everything and come back later when the economy is at full employment. >> how do you rebel against the fiscal cliff idea? paul, if you listen to boehner and his plan, he sort of says it's erskine bowles plan. is it possible to rebel against an idea marching along? we're on day 29, heading into day 28. >> i get excited when i hear david say things so far outside the box. but this is washington. i guess it's not air box, it's a beltway here. and we are in this debt mania. there is a long term crisis on debt. i think david would agree with that. if you actually go back and read what my old boss and his partner wrote almost two years ago now, they said these things, these cuts in tax increases should be back loaded so we don't damage the economy. in the president's proposal, he does have a small infrastructure bank program to try to jump-start some growth, so i think it's a good idea. raising tax rates on the rich. i saw your interview with senator coburn. he is
do not cooperate with the fiscal cliff idea. rebel and say just extend everything and come back later when the economy is at full employment. >> how do you rebel against the fiscal cliff idea? paul, if you listen to boehner and his plan, he sort of says it's erskine bowles plan. is it possible to rebel against an idea marching along? we're on day 29, heading into day 28. >> i get excited when i hear david say things so far outside the box. but this is washington. i guess it's not...
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congress designed the fiscal cliff. i think probably senator thune from south dakota is making the most sense last night saying maybe we should kick the can down the road for six months instead of trying to rush it i'm not a fan of kicking the can down the road, that's what congress does. in this case, you have everyone scrambling, trying to examine the ramifications of the election. you have new people coming in. some of the people voting were thrown out of congress. why not wait until the 1st of the year. >> kicking the can, you look at markets today. you have global markets up. stock futures are up. the stock market was up yesterday because this whole idea of optimism from john boehner and the president that this could get done by the end of the year is something the world wants to see. you look at our polling. our polling shows, and the most recent poll from abc news/"washington post," 60% of people support raising tacks on incomes over $250,000 per year. isn't the argument of kicking the can down the road losing so
congress designed the fiscal cliff. i think probably senator thune from south dakota is making the most sense last night saying maybe we should kick the can down the road for six months instead of trying to rush it i'm not a fan of kicking the can down the road, that's what congress does. in this case, you have everyone scrambling, trying to examine the ramifications of the election. you have new people coming in. some of the people voting were thrown out of congress. why not wait until the 1st...
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always there. >>> we're only 33 days away from the so-called fiscal cliff. a drastic combination of mandatory spending cuts, tax hikes that could plunge the u.s. back into a recession. >> and there's only one way to avoid it. house republicans and president obama and his fellow democrats need to strike a deal before the end of the year on reducing the national debt to avoid that fiscal cliff. republican aid describe the tentative white house proposal this way. $1.6 trillion in revenue presented by secretary treasury secretary timothy geithner and stimulus and $400 billion in medicare and other entitlement savings. a permanent increase in the debt limit. >> so, let's get more on the standoff right now. joining us senator bernie sanders of vermont. he caucuses with the democrats. senator, first of all, congratulations on your re-election. thanks for coming in. republicans say, you know what, they'll be flexible, but the democrats have to be flexible, too, especially when it comes to entitlement spending. medicare, medicaid and even reform. are you open to any
always there. >>> we're only 33 days away from the so-called fiscal cliff. a drastic combination of mandatory spending cuts, tax hikes that could plunge the u.s. back into a recession. >> and there's only one way to avoid it. house republicans and president obama and his fellow democrats need to strike a deal before the end of the year on reducing the national debt to avoid that fiscal cliff. republican aid describe the tentative white house proposal this way. $1.6 trillion in...
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this is a so-called fiscal cliff. january 1st. our news makers representative jim clyburn of south carolina, number three democrat in the house of representatives and number one i'm sure to a lot of people. hello. how are you? >> hey, don. thank you so much for having me. >> thanks for coming on. is speaker boehner right, though? as the clock is ticking, ticking toward january 1st, the talks haven't progressed in two weeks. is he right? >> well, i don't know that i'm as disappointed as the speaker is right now. i understand some of his problem with this. but the fact of the matter is the american people ended elections on november 6th, voiced their approval of president obama's approach to this. over 3 million more people voted for him than voted for mr. romney. and then if you look at house democr democrats. only 201 of us got eelected. that means the rest were republicans. >> i understand that. >> but over 500,000 more votes than they got -- >> with all due respect, representative, we understand that the president won and you fe
this is a so-called fiscal cliff. january 1st. our news makers representative jim clyburn of south carolina, number three democrat in the house of representatives and number one i'm sure to a lot of people. hello. how are you? >> hey, don. thank you so much for having me. >> thanks for coming on. is speaker boehner right, though? as the clock is ticking, ticking toward january 1st, the talks haven't progressed in two weeks. is he right? >> well, i don't know that i'm as...
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let's talk about the fiscal cliff. the president says the republicans have to agree to raising the marginal tax rate for the wealthiest top 2% from 35%. does he mean it has to go back up to 39.6% as was the case during the clinton administration or is there some wiggle room in between 35% and 39.6%? >> the president has repeatedly said there's room for compromise. but what this boils down to is a matter of fairness and a matter of math. giving certainty to the middle class is essential. there's no way mathematically, if you look at the republican's proposal, that you can get to the deficit reduction that we need to with preserving the middle class tax cuts by not increasing as the republicans refuse to do the upper tier rates. there's room for discussion, but that -- >> so the 39.6%, that's not a red line? >> as far as i know and the conversations i've had, the president has said there's room for compromise, but for the red line to be drawn in the sand by republicans to say that an increase in rates on the wealthiest a
let's talk about the fiscal cliff. the president says the republicans have to agree to raising the marginal tax rate for the wealthiest top 2% from 35%. does he mean it has to go back up to 39.6% as was the case during the clinton administration or is there some wiggle room in between 35% and 39.6%? >> the president has repeatedly said there's room for compromise. but what this boils down to is a matter of fairness and a matter of math. giving certainty to the middle class is essential....
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jim was talking about a lot of specifics here, and we talk about the fiscal cliff. in some ways this is really a lot about symbolism and more for us, i think, than the two of them. can you describe what you think it means? >> sure. well, let me start by just saying across the street from where i'm at at rice, george herbert walker bush has been in the hospital, and we wish him a speedy recovery from his illness. it's an example of how you can form a friendship at these meetings. bill clinton had beat the sitting president, george herber walker bush, and they met similar to the way romney and obama are now, and now clinton and 41 are dear, close friends and have done many constructive things together around the world. i think, by and large, these meetings, the luncheon today, will be about optics. it's the photo ops. it's a chance to say america is united. there may be an opportunity here for mitt romney to come out and talk about the fiscal cliff or saying we must avoid falling off it towards something that could be helpful to the white house in the end. i remember
jim was talking about a lot of specifics here, and we talk about the fiscal cliff. in some ways this is really a lot about symbolism and more for us, i think, than the two of them. can you describe what you think it means? >> sure. well, let me start by just saying across the street from where i'm at at rice, george herbert walker bush has been in the hospital, and we wish him a speedy recovery from his illness. it's an example of how you can form a friendship at these meetings. bill...
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fiscal cliff talks going nowhere. the president hits the road today selling a plan that includes $1.6 trillion in tax hikes and $50 billion in stimulus spending. you can imagine what republicans thought about that. they are balking at the very least. house speaker john boehner telling reporters the president needs to, quote, get serious on spending cuts. out of nowhere the earth collapsed. a giant sinkhole has developed near dover, ohio, south of cleveland. local residents cannot believe their eyes by how big this thing is. it happened wednesday afternoon. taking part of a two-lane highway down with it. fortunately no one's been injured. >>> wow. exciting discovery on the planet mercury. ice. na nasa's messenger probe discovering frozen water. it's mostly found in deep craters that are always in the shadows. scientists believe the water almost certainly came from impacting comets or asteroids. >>> 30 years ago today, back in 1982, michael jackson released "thriller" an album that changed the music business and cemente
fiscal cliff talks going nowhere. the president hits the road today selling a plan that includes $1.6 trillion in tax hikes and $50 billion in stimulus spending. you can imagine what republicans thought about that. they are balking at the very least. house speaker john boehner telling reporters the president needs to, quote, get serious on spending cuts. out of nowhere the earth collapsed. a giant sinkhole has developed near dover, ohio, south of cleveland. local residents cannot believe their...
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want to continue the conversation on fiscal cliff. this one republican has really been making news with this -- we'll call it an outside the box idea to avoid at least part of this fiscal cliff. he is suggesting to extend the bush cuts for the 98% of americans right now since at least both sides agree that has to happen and then haggle over the top 2% later. >> the republican in the middle of this all is congressman tom cole from oklahoma. congressman cole, speaker boehner and others have thrown cold water on this idea. let's clear this up right now. you still stand by this notion, pass the tax cuts for the 98% right now, deal with the 2% after the new year but essentially let those da tax breaks for the top 2% expire? >> i do think where we agree on 98%, we should take that off the table so americans don't have to worry about that. that actually strengthens our position. at the end of the day it's a discussion amongst republicans over tactic, not a division or debate. the president would be well advised if he's serious to actually br
want to continue the conversation on fiscal cliff. this one republican has really been making news with this -- we'll call it an outside the box idea to avoid at least part of this fiscal cliff. he is suggesting to extend the bush cuts for the 98% of americans right now since at least both sides agree that has to happen and then haggle over the top 2% later. >> the republican in the middle of this all is congressman tom cole from oklahoma. congressman cole, speaker boehner and others have...
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and washington is playing fiscal with the fiscal cliff. -- playing chicken with the fiscal cliff. this deal will only get done by president obama and john boehner making a deal. they came close in the summer of 2011. the parties are so polarized and partisans polarized this is a problem. >> i keep saying we need a presidential historian or hostage negotiator. somebody could say we've been at stalemates before, gotten over it, shut down the government in '96. tip o'neill and ronald reagan managed to solve problems and get along. listen to what john mccain said about what we need here. >> it's time now to sit across the table from one another, rather than -- in the way they did with ronald reagan and the way you get things done in washington. >> the way they did with ronald reagan and get things done in washington. you sit together and figure it out. they were at a holiday party they didn't talk to each other. they're issuing sort of statements and rebuttals and saying i'm not going to budge. >> negotiation by press release. this is not how things get done in washington and part of
and washington is playing fiscal with the fiscal cliff. -- playing chicken with the fiscal cliff. this deal will only get done by president obama and john boehner making a deal. they came close in the summer of 2011. the parties are so polarized and partisans polarized this is a problem. >> i keep saying we need a presidential historian or hostage negotiator. somebody could say we've been at stalemates before, gotten over it, shut down the government in '96. tip o'neill and ronald reagan...
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especially if we go over the fiscal cliff. what top economists are saying about your investments. >>> and is this what the fiscal cliff deal has come to? why 81-year-old former senator alan simpson is going gangnam style to get everyone's attention on debt. >> it has officially jumped the shark. >>> alan st. pierre is the executive director for the national,or for the reform of marijuana laws. oregon senator jeff merkley, heidi ewing, and rachel grady will be joining us. steve satich, ohio congressman, steve latourette, and ambassador nick burns are our guests this morning. it's thursday, december 6th, and "starting point" begins right now. >>> welcome, everybody. our starting point this morning, some major developments to tell you about in egypt, after angry protests against political moves by the president, mohamed morsi, have turned deadly. tanks, armored personnel vehicles, all stationed outside the presidential analysis cairo. not only are they guarding the palace, they're also keeping apart supporters and opponents of mo
especially if we go over the fiscal cliff. what top economists are saying about your investments. >>> and is this what the fiscal cliff deal has come to? why 81-year-old former senator alan simpson is going gangnam style to get everyone's attention on debt. >> it has officially jumped the shark. >>> alan st. pierre is the executive director for the national,or for the reform of marijuana laws. oregon senator jeff merkley, heidi ewing, and rachel grady will be joining us....
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. >>> but first, the president has a plan to avoid the fiscal cliff. but republican house speaker john boehner dismisses it as, and i'm quoting, la la land. the republicans offered their proposal, that happened about 24 hours ago. the white house quickly labels it as nothing new. business as usual, right? so how do we move beyond this stalemate in washington? we heard from the president, just a short time ago. our chief white house correspondent jessica yellin joins me now, jessica, the president spoke out, sat down in an interview with bloomberg tv, and in listening to the interview, did you hear any clues toward a possible compromise here? >> reporter: not new clues, brooke. the president laid down the marker that we heard from the white house consistently, which is they aren't moving until they hear the republicans agree to raise tax rates on the wealthiest. listen to what the president had to say. >> i think that, you know, we have the potential of getting a deal done, but it is going to require what i talked about during the campaign, which is a b
. >>> but first, the president has a plan to avoid the fiscal cliff. but republican house speaker john boehner dismisses it as, and i'm quoting, la la land. the republicans offered their proposal, that happened about 24 hours ago. the white house quickly labels it as nothing new. business as usual, right? so how do we move beyond this stalemate in washington? we heard from the president, just a short time ago. our chief white house correspondent jessica yellin joins me now, jessica,...
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thank you for that reporting from washington. >>> president obama talking about the fiscal cliff. in his first television interview since the election, that cliff, of course the combination of government spending cuts and tax increases that automatically go into effect on january 1st because people we elected to make a deal can't make a deal. yesterday, republicans proposed steep spending cuts but gave no ground on president obama's call to raise taxes on the wealthiest americans. here's what the president told bloomberg's white house correspondent about that. >> unfortunately the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. you know he talks, for example, about $800 billion worth of revenue but was he says he's going to do that by lowering rates. when you look at the platte it doesn't work. when i've said is, i am prepared to work with the speaker and democrats and republicans to go after excessive health care costs in our federal health care system, we're going to have to strengthen those systems and i think we can do that without hurting seniors, without hurting benefi
thank you for that reporting from washington. >>> president obama talking about the fiscal cliff. in his first television interview since the election, that cliff, of course the combination of government spending cuts and tax increases that automatically go into effect on january 1st because people we elected to make a deal can't make a deal. yesterday, republicans proposed steep spending cuts but gave no ground on president obama's call to raise taxes on the wealthiest americans....
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going over the fiscal cliff fiss serious business. i am here seriously trying to resolve it and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> based on the meeting with secretary geithner or your phone call with president obama 09 -- obama side, can you tell us something about that phone call? >> we had a very nice conversation last night. it was direct and straightforward. but the assessment i give you today would be a product of both of those conversations. >> how much would you be open to the idea of discretionary spending cuts as far as a down payment to get to a long-range solution on entitlements? >> there are a lot of options on the table, including that one. >> [indiscernible] you are acknowledging that there will. >> the day after the election, i came here and i made it clear that republicans would put revenue on the table as a way to begin to move the process to get this resolved. >> right, so my question is what message do you have for people who are in the negotiating position or believe that it is inevitable t
going over the fiscal cliff fiss serious business. i am here seriously trying to resolve it and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> based on the meeting with secretary geithner or your phone call with president obama 09 -- obama side, can you tell us something about that phone call? >> we had a very nice conversation last night. it was direct and straightforward. but the assessment i give you today would be a product of both of those conversations. >>...
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people are talking about the fiscal cliff on january 1. let's give businesses the service. their employees can pass the middle income tax cut now. >> i would like to add that basarah were sar participants in the discussion. when they went to the table as representatives of the house democrats, the next -- no instructions except to reach an agreement. the overriding value was to get the jobs done for the american people. the only thing i said i wanted to say was jobs and economic growth would be the centerpiece of the discussion. whatever decisions we would unmake as far as cuts and revenue or raising them with center around how we create jobs. that is how we will reduce the deficit by creating jobs. every time we came to the idea of bold balance, the rivet a question was the hurdle and it is still does. we cannot get there from here in terms of deficit reduction. you can grow your way he to there, but you have to have the revenue as a confidence-building that we are responsible. we will get the job done. he had ended their meeting to go to so he is not here with us now. why
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that being said, before we talk about fiscal cliff, we are here because of the last fiscal cliff. since we had another fiscal cliff-type scenario that created the scenario and ridiculous idea that i voted against, put a bunch of things bad to happen at one time. surprise, it didn't work and we are facing this. there are two issues number one, avoid doing damage and avoid doing harm. and we need to look for a way to accomplish that in the short-term. and we have to, we have to have a conversation about getting the fiscal house in order. i heard bob talking about that. it is true. we spend $1 trillion more than we take in. it's a fact and we have to address it. i approach this issue with the following belief. the only way to get it in order is through rapid economic growth. no taxes you can raise to bring the debt down. what the president is offering is not enough but will make a dent on job creation, particularly middle-class job creation. i oppose his plan. we should do real tax reform. if there are loopholes, there is a loophole for being able to write off your yacht as a second
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going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. i am here seriously trying to resolve it and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> based on the meeting with secretary geithner or your phone call with president obama 09 -- obama side, can you tell us something about that phone call? >> we had a very nice conversation last night. it was direct and straightforward. but the assessment i give you today would be a product of both of those conversations. >> how much would you be open to the idea of discretionary spending cuts as far as a down payment to get to a long-range solution on entitlements? >> there are a lot of options on the table, including that one. >> you are acknowledging that there will. >> the day after the election, i came here and i made it clear that republicans would put revenue on the table as a way to begin to move the process to get this resolved. >> right, so my question is what message do you have for people who are in the negotiating position or believe that it is inevitable that you have to
going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. i am here seriously trying to resolve it and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> based on the meeting with secretary geithner or your phone call with president obama 09 -- obama side, can you tell us something about that phone call? >> we had a very nice conversation last night. it was direct and straightforward. but the assessment i give you today would be a product of both of those conversations. >> how...
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host: julie, let's start with the fiscal cliff. where does health policy, health care fit into this if at all? guest: obviously what -- there's nothing about the fiscal cliff that particularly impacts the health law. we do know that starting january 1, if congress does not act, there are these automatic cuts that take effect. compared is impacted only slightly. there will be 2% cut to payments to providers, not to beneficiaries, medicaid is excluded. however also on january 1, this is not part of this whole sequester piece, there is the problem medicare physician fees, the perennial problem, it happens to also expire in conjunction with everything else that happens on january 1. there would be a 27% cut to doctor payments under medicare, something that congress continues to not let happen, but they have to find several billion dollars, or if they want to make it go away for good, several hundred billion dollars to fix that problem. so there are a lot of health related issues involved in these negotiations. there are a lot of people
host: julie, let's start with the fiscal cliff. where does health policy, health care fit into this if at all? guest: obviously what -- there's nothing about the fiscal cliff that particularly impacts the health law. we do know that starting january 1, if congress does not act, there are these automatic cuts that take effect. compared is impacted only slightly. there will be 2% cut to payments to providers, not to beneficiaries, medicaid is excluded. however also on january 1, this is not part...
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cliff, the affordable care act -- you can talk with tom coburn about the fiscal cliff, the affordable care act. join our 3 our conversation with your calls, e-mails, tweets sunday at noon eastern on book tv's in depth on c-span2. >> he worked his way up, went to harvard law school then at the urging of one of his brothers, emigrated to illinois where the lead mine industry was in its heyday. he arrived after about a month's journey by ship, state -- state coach, and train and arrived on this monday mining town -- mudy dy minin town. established a law practice in a log cabin as slowly worked his way up and became a very successful lawyer then got involved politically, ran for congress, served for eight terms. then defended abraham lincoln -- befriended abraham lincoln and ulysses s. grant. as they rised, washburn stayed with them as a close colleague during the civil war. then after grant was elected president, he initially appointed him secretary of state. at that time, washburn became very ill. his family feared for his life. after about 10 days, he submitted his resignation to presi
cliff, the affordable care act -- you can talk with tom coburn about the fiscal cliff, the affordable care act. join our 3 our conversation with your calls, e-mails, tweets sunday at noon eastern on book tv's in depth on c-span2. >> he worked his way up, went to harvard law school then at the urging of one of his brothers, emigrated to illinois where the lead mine industry was in its heyday. he arrived after about a month's journey by ship, state -- state coach, and train and arrived on...
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part of the so-called fiscal cliff. former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, mike mike mullen, was joined at how services committee. this is a less than an hour. >> good afternoon. thank you for coming. my name is peter peterson. i would like to give you a review of why we are supporting this project today. starting about 30 years ago, after studying the profound demographic trends, on the vast and unfunded promise we have made. i have decided was not unsustainable, but a primary threat to the future. speaking of unsustainable, in the nixon white house in which i served, the chairman of the council, if something is unsustainable, he says it continues to stop. or if you don't like that, if your worst eyes, i suggest that you does not dismount. in lieu of that retirement, i decided to set up the foundation to increase awareness of long-term debts and get solutions. never in my experience have these things are more closely linked, in the words of mike mullen. we are endlessly reminded that everything must be on the ta
part of the so-called fiscal cliff. former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, mike mike mullen, was joined at how services committee. this is a less than an hour. >> good afternoon. thank you for coming. my name is peter peterson. i would like to give you a review of why we are supporting this project today. starting about 30 years ago, after studying the profound demographic trends, on the vast and unfunded promise we have made. i have decided was not unsustainable, but a primary...
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i'm a fiscal standpoint, everyone is focused on the fiscal cliff. sometimes people give me a hard time for focusing on amtrak, but we have put subsidies into amtrak. almost half a billion in subsidies and almost a billion in some of the capital improvements. over the years, that commitment remains pretty much the same. so we do have a responsibility with taxpayer dollars to make certain, this operation, which is highly subsidized, and we did do a hearing on the past three or four hearings that we did, maybe we could put that on the board of federal subsidies. the average cost of a government-subsidized ticket, $46.33. julie and i read through the report pretty carefully, amtrak has made progress, so the losses in that great. the average ticket subsidy simply by taking 29 million passengers and dividing it by underwriting the subsidy. other modes of mass transit. let me say in closing, i went through the inspector general's report last night. seven of the nine board members. hiring vice presidents and managers, and as mentioned in the presidential re
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from a fiscal standpoint, and everybody is focused on the fiscal cliff and sometimes people give me a hard time for focusing on amrak, but we have this past year but $1.4 billion amtrak and government subsidies, almost half of that in operating subsidies, close to $1 billion on some of the capitol improvements and over the years, that commitment has remained pretty much the same. so we do have the responsibility for taxpayer dollars to make certain that this operation, which is highly subsidized, and we did do a hearing on that. i guess one of the past three or four hearings we did is a cross mobile comparison of federal studies. rode amtrak yesterday and the average cost of my ticket coming back from new york, government subsidized the average cost of $46.33. unfortunately, and i read through the report pretty carefully, amrak has made some progress and this the average ticket subsidy simply by taking the 29 million passengers or 28 last year and dividing it by the underwriting subsidy. others city buses, massachusetts transit and aviation, $4.28. it was highlighted in a previous hea
from a fiscal standpoint, and everybody is focused on the fiscal cliff and sometimes people give me a hard time for focusing on amrak, but we have this past year but $1.4 billion amtrak and government subsidies, almost half of that in operating subsidies, close to $1 billion on some of the capitol improvements and over the years, that commitment has remained pretty much the same. so we do have the responsibility for taxpayer dollars to make certain that this operation, which is highly...
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part of the so-called fiscal cliff. former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, admiral mike mullen, was joined by the chairmen of the senate house armed services committee. this is a little less than an hour. >> good afternoon. thank you for coming. my name is. peter:rerson -- peterson. i want to give you, first, a review of our foundation and why we are supporting the project you're going to hear about today. starting about 30 years ago after studying the profound demographic trends and the vast and unfunded promises that we had made, i decided that our projected long-term -- and i emphasize long-term debts -- were not only unsustainable, but a primary threat to our future. speaking of unsustainable, in the nixon white house in which i served, herb stein was chairman of the council of economic advisers, and he used to say if something's unsustainable, he said it tends to stop. or he said if you don't like that, if your horse dies, i suggest you dismount. well, i think we've been behaving as though we can ride this d
part of the so-called fiscal cliff. former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, admiral mike mullen, was joined by the chairmen of the senate house armed services committee. this is a little less than an hour. >> good afternoon. thank you for coming. my name is. peter:rerson -- peterson. i want to give you, first, a review of our foundation and why we are supporting the project you're going to hear about today. starting about 30 years ago after studying the profound demographic trends...
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unlike the rest of the fiscal cliff, which affects tax rates that will play next year, the patch applies to the return that we will all have to file early next year. so if there is not congressional action here, there is an abrupt increase in tax on the 2012 taxable year in 20 of 11 approximately 4 million people paid the amt. if there's not a patch, 30 million people will be required to pay the amt in 2012 for the current taxable year and they will pay an additional $90 billion in tax. very few of them have any idea. >> host: is the irs prepared? >> guest: the irs took a fairly unusual -- but i think correct position. they took the position that congress will do the responsible name. so they did their tax program for next year, for the 2012 return, assuming congress would enact the patch before the end. i think that was a reasonable thing to do because i believe they will do that. however, it does mean if there is not a patch, the tax return idling season next year would be quite chaotic. >> host: john buckley is our guest and we talk about the alternative minimum tax as part of the ove
unlike the rest of the fiscal cliff, which affects tax rates that will play next year, the patch applies to the return that we will all have to file early next year. so if there is not congressional action here, there is an abrupt increase in tax on the 2012 taxable year in 20 of 11 approximately 4 million people paid the amt. if there's not a patch, 30 million people will be required to pay the amt in 2012 for the current taxable year and they will pay an additional $90 billion in tax. very...
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if no agreement is reached on the fiscal cliff. this twenty five minute event took police at the veteran affair offices in washington, d.c. >>> thank you, tommy. first, let me thank secretary panetta for the unwavering support for the here at the va and the men and women who wear and have worn the uniform of the nation. our close partnership with the immediating we had -- meeting we had today on their behalf has never been more important as it is today. as we enter the holiday season i want to thank the men and whoim spend their holiday away from the families defending the nation. we're grateful for their the service and sacrifice. as we have discussed very little what we do here at va -- most of what we work on originated in dodd and that's why achieving our priorities at va requires the close and collaborative working relationship. we have more to do but with president obama's strong support and guidance we have brought the two departments closer together than ever before. we have underwritten joint vad. we began harmonizing our
if no agreement is reached on the fiscal cliff. this twenty five minute event took police at the veteran affair offices in washington, d.c. >>> thank you, tommy. first, let me thank secretary panetta for the unwavering support for the here at the va and the men and women who wear and have worn the uniform of the nation. our close partnership with the immediating we had -- meeting we had today on their behalf has never been more important as it is today. as we enter the holiday season i...
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it's like fiscal cliff bungee jumping. i believe the odds are good that there'll be some sort of deal made. >> let's get into the longer-term deal which i think almost everyone agrees, entitlement reform and tax reform is going to take place in 2013 and maybe 14. it's a long process but just in the short term, can the republicans, can enough republicans while a win say we don't like it but we will have to go along for now whether it's 39.6% rate in comeback with the promise next year of trying to lower it and broaden the base? >> i would much prefer we do the kind of reform that i laid out in a bill a few weeks ago, not inking this bill would become law but this bill would show a path forward with $4.5 trillion in savings. i think that, in the event that the house feels that when they see that the senate is obviously controlled by the democratic party and the democratic president, he basically have a president, let's say without being too exhorted is a one trick pony. the rate has always been talked about and really nothin
it's like fiscal cliff bungee jumping. i believe the odds are good that there'll be some sort of deal made. >> let's get into the longer-term deal which i think almost everyone agrees, entitlement reform and tax reform is going to take place in 2013 and maybe 14. it's a long process but just in the short term, can the republicans, can enough republicans while a win say we don't like it but we will have to go along for now whether it's 39.6% rate in comeback with the promise next year of...
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as the days until the country goes over the fiscal cliff goes by, more and more republicans have joined our chorus. they recognize that the willing misto compromise sooner has put them in a real bind. so reasonable republicans are asking the house leadership to allow a vote on the senate-passed legislation. what was once a trickle has become more of a flood. last week republican representative tom cole said it was time to give middle-class families certainty their taxes won't go up by $2,200 on average on january 1. then tim scott from north carolina ad admitted that the senate-passed tax cut will surely pass the house since it will take only 26 republican ren votes for passage. i don't most of the time agree with david brooks but no one can dispute this columnist for "the new york times" is brilliant in writing. he's a great, great journalist and explains things so well. i really have great admiration for him. he wrote yesterday, "republicans have to realize they are going to have to cave in on tax rates." that's the way it is, mr. president. "they're going to have to cave on tax rates
as the days until the country goes over the fiscal cliff goes by, more and more republicans have joined our chorus. they recognize that the willing misto compromise sooner has put them in a real bind. so reasonable republicans are asking the house leadership to allow a vote on the senate-passed legislation. what was once a trickle has become more of a flood. last week republican representative tom cole said it was time to give middle-class families certainty their taxes won't go up by $2,200 on...
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treaty about disability or what they're saying by the fiscal cliff. we're seeing an important shift in their strategy. i think at the end of the day john boehner is going to decide it makes more sense to pass the senate bill, extending the tax cut to 98% saying to the public at large we're not going to deny you that but we're not going to pass the debt ceiling increase. on that they'll hang tougher seeking to extract something from the white house. >> i agree with half of that. i think they're going to wait for the debt ceiling crisis that they're going to create with their leverage. but it seems to me that they have more incentive to blame the democrats for rising taxes on everybody, and then come back and pass that middle class tax cut. i think we're going to see the sun setting of the bush tax cuts. i just don't see how the tea partyers essentially can do a preemptive basically pre- preemptive before the taxes go back up. >> eliot: charles, do you agree with sam? once the tax cuts have expired maybe they pass the tax cut for 98% but then use their
treaty about disability or what they're saying by the fiscal cliff. we're seeing an important shift in their strategy. i think at the end of the day john boehner is going to decide it makes more sense to pass the senate bill, extending the tax cut to 98% saying to the public at large we're not going to deny you that but we're not going to pass the debt ceiling increase. on that they'll hang tougher seeking to extract something from the white house. >> i agree with half of that. i think...
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whether we are going to go off of the fiscal cliff. a lot are saying hell, let's go over the fiscal cliff and show the american people who is responsible. >> unfortunately, democrats tend to be the responsible party in terms of actually wanting to governor. it's no surprise that when republicans are in power, government doesn't function well. >> they hate it. >> why would you make something operate well that you don't like? we have to remember why we are here. this is the piece of the story that is forgotten over and over again. the fiscal cliff is a creation of the republican party. had it not been for a republican party that was unwilling to grant this president an extension on the debt ceiling -- >> which every other president has been able to get in a bi-partisan fashion. >> absolutely. then we wouldn't be here right now. we would not be on the edge of the cliff. it's a precarious thing to negotiate around when you consider we might get thrown into a recession if we do go over it. but the more i watch the right, it the more it look
whether we are going to go off of the fiscal cliff. a lot are saying hell, let's go over the fiscal cliff and show the american people who is responsible. >> unfortunately, democrats tend to be the responsible party in terms of actually wanting to governor. it's no surprise that when republicans are in power, government doesn't function well. >> they hate it. >> why would you make something operate well that you don't like? we have to remember why we are here. this is the...
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we're talking about the fiscal cliff. he said -- let's see. interest rates he was talking about are lower than they've been in our living memory. in fact, if there was ever a time for america to borrow more to put people back to work, rebuilding our schools and crumbling infrastructure, it is now. robert reich. see, i would listen to the guys that were there then in the clinton administration. we're asking you what you think why? because -- >> they're the ones who tanked the economy. >> stephanie: okay. lenny in wisconsin. your eaten "the stephanie miller show." >> caller: hi. how you doing, steph? >> stephanie: good. go ahead. >> caller: i have a few things to say. i hope you don't cut me off. >> stephanie: all right. >> caller: i'm a 62-year-old gay man who is on disability and i've got my -- because of scott walker, all of my healthcare removed. all of my food stamps removed. i'm making $700 a month. i have $500 a month in prescriptions which of course, i can't afford. so i had to decide which ones are the best for me to take and i have no
we're talking about the fiscal cliff. he said -- let's see. interest rates he was talking about are lower than they've been in our living memory. in fact, if there was ever a time for america to borrow more to put people back to work, rebuilding our schools and crumbling infrastructure, it is now. robert reich. see, i would listen to the guys that were there then in the clinton administration. we're asking you what you think why? because -- >> they're the ones who tanked the economy....
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will we avoid going over the fiscal cliff? senator chris coons will tell us that when we come back here on the "full court press." nothing like pressure here. >> announcer: this is the "full court press." the "bill press show." live on your radio and on current tv. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us. (vo) as marijuana gains social and legal acceptance, a new pioneer is emerging from the backwoods. >> i'm basically like a farmer. instead of corn, you've got dope. (vo) but what is legal and what is criminal? >> this is, no matter what you (vo) follow real farmers staking their claim on a new frontier. >> lots of terrible things happen to people growing marijuana. >> this crop to me is my livelihood. >> i have everything invested in this. >> announcer: on your radio and on current tv, this is the "bill press show." >> bill: here we g
will we avoid going over the fiscal cliff? senator chris coons will tell us that when we come back here on the "full court press." nothing like pressure here. >> announcer: this is the "full court press." the "bill press show." live on your radio and on current tv. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his...
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i have to start with this fiscal cliff that is being managed. i said at the beginning of this broadcast, this is unequivocally and solely thepresident's decision. it is his soluon that will determine whether we go into a fiscal cliff. why is te republican party not getting that? >> well, i think they missed out on a big opportunity to own this argunt. theyissed out on it. mitt romney missed out on it dung the presidential campaign. and it was missed out on this time around. a lot of conservatives are real hoping thate was going to d dig his heels in on this issue and but for the proposal that was all right and ask and we could count on it and maybe do some of the pr and marketing to back tha up so we can swing public opinion. >> except clearly that is not happening. >> let's move forward. hindsight. okay. mistakes were made. now what to do? a tour republican party sees this is a huge political gam, why don't they do smmething about it? >> the republican party is going to get blamed. if you look a all of the polling, the pure research, everyone i
i have to start with this fiscal cliff that is being managed. i said at the beginning of this broadcast, this is unequivocally and solely thepresident's decision. it is his soluon that will determine whether we go into a fiscal cliff. why is te republican party not getting that? >> well, i think they missed out on a big opportunity to own this argunt. theyissed out on it. mitt romney missed out on it dung the presidential campaign. and it was missed out on this time around. a lot of...
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says white house offer on fiscal cliff is unbalanced. bret, tell me i'm wrong here, it seems like the media is setting unto blame the republican for this outrageous offer from the president, go. >> what's the offer? what? >> a massive tax increase, no entitlement reform and no restraint on borrowing. now, there's an offer. >> in other words, in other words, there's no plan. this should be a story that the whole debate has been going on for two years about having a package of spending cuts to go along with the package of tax increases. and now, we've got the senate saying, that the one problem, entitlements is now off the table, and meaning they're no longer serious and the white house saying we don't have plans to cut anything. in other words, there is no plan. that should be the story. and just like, stuart, the entirety of 2012 campaign. nobody brought up that the barack obama didn't have a plan the entire-- it's mind-boggling. stuart: i'm looking at the so-called offer, if implemented would put mesh-- measured america straight into re
says white house offer on fiscal cliff is unbalanced. bret, tell me i'm wrong here, it seems like the media is setting unto blame the republican for this outrageous offer from the president, go. >> what's the offer? what? >> a massive tax increase, no entitlement reform and no restraint on borrowing. now, there's an offer. >> in other words, in other words, there's no plan. this should be a story that the whole debate has been going on for two years about having a package of...
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i have to start with this fiscal cliff that is being managed. i said at the beginning of this broadcast, this is unequivocally and solely the president's decision. it is his solution that will determine whether we go into a fiscal cliff. why is the republican party not getting that? >> well, i think they missed out on a big opportunity to own this argument. they missed out on it. mitt romney missed out on it during the presidential campaign. and it was missed out on this time around. a lot of conservatives are really hoping that he was going to dig his heels in on this issue and but for the proposal that was all right and ask and we could count on it and maybe do some of the pr and marketing to back that up so we can swing public opinion. >> except clearly that is not happening. >> let's move forward. hindsight. okay. mistakes were made. now what to do? a tour republican party sees this is a huge political game, why don't they do something about it? >> the republican party is going to get blamed. if you look at all of the polling, the pure resea
i have to start with this fiscal cliff that is being managed. i said at the beginning of this broadcast, this is unequivocally and solely the president's decision. it is his solution that will determine whether we go into a fiscal cliff. why is the republican party not getting that? >> well, i think they missed out on a big opportunity to own this argument. they missed out on it. mitt romney missed out on it during the presidential campaign. and it was missed out on this time around. a...
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congress has ever used the fiscal cliff. usual through debt ceiling as a bargaining point, which is what happened last year. this something we never dealt with. >> what would happen if the congress said no? the president would be forced to operate the federal government in money available to him. >> nobody said that to ronald reagan or the first george busher second george bush. >> democrats voted against raising the debt ceiling. >> but nobody has ever, ever stopped it and made it a point of then fiscal negotiation. only happened once. >> we have never been in treacherous, perilous fiscal circumstances as today. >> bret: top senate republican calling it quits was here on the set with us. the all-stars weigh in on that. surprising development next. initiated. neural speeds increasing to 4g lte. brain upgrading to a quad-core processor. predictive intelligence with google now complete. introducing droid dna by htc. it's not an upgrade to your phone. it's an upgrade to yourself. [ female announcer ] some people like to pretend
congress has ever used the fiscal cliff. usual through debt ceiling as a bargaining point, which is what happened last year. this something we never dealt with. >> what would happen if the congress said no? the president would be forced to operate the federal government in money available to him. >> nobody said that to ronald reagan or the first george busher second george bush. >> democrats voted against raising the debt ceiling. >> but nobody has ever, ever stopped it...
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talking fiscal cliff we think. that's next. >> i --. >> [inaudible]. >> i did not understand his statement in the way you characterized it. i think the way i heard it and way i think it was not as a threat we'll go over if they don't, it was a prediction if there is no agreement, then, the fiscal cliff has to be dealt with. but i didn't see it as if they don't do this we do that. i saw it as a statement of fact. it is not a threat. it is a prediction. if there is no agreement, go over the cliff. let's hope we can have an agreement. jon: those remarks just into our fox newsroom from house minority leader nancy pelosi moments ago saying republicans are avoiding the conversation on the fiscal cliff. meantime we're awaiting new reaction from white house press secretary jay carney. there is a live look at the podium in the west wing. you can see it is empty right now. jay carney should be stepping up to the microphone momentarily and we expect the topic a is going to be the fiscal cliff and the white house position on i
talking fiscal cliff we think. that's next. >> i --. >> [inaudible]. >> i did not understand his statement in the way you characterized it. i think the way i heard it and way i think it was not as a threat we'll go over if they don't, it was a prediction if there is no agreement, then, the fiscal cliff has to be dealt with. but i didn't see it as if they don't do this we do that. i saw it as a statement of fact. it is not a threat. it is a prediction. if there is no agreement,...
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plus, what's going on behind the scenes to avoid the fiscal cliff? >> everybody agrees. >> going over the fiscal cliff will hurt our economy and will hurt job creation in our country. >>er -- every family in america will see their taxes automatically go up at the beginning of next year. >> shepard: so how to avoid that. >> the president and congress will either fail together or we will succeed together. >> there has to be a deal. there has to be an agreement. >> and if they can't come up with a compromise, we are all going to pay the price. plus, they are some of the biggest names in baseball. bonds, clemens, sosa. all three tainted by accusations they used performance enhancing drugs. but should that keep them from cooper's town? tonight, the great debate over baseball's hall of fame ballot but first from fox this wednesday night, the president hopes who have the framework of a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff by christmas. president obama says he would like congress to pass a bill even sooner to extend tax cuts for the middle class families
plus, what's going on behind the scenes to avoid the fiscal cliff? >> everybody agrees. >> going over the fiscal cliff will hurt our economy and will hurt job creation in our country. >>er -- every family in america will see their taxes automatically go up at the beginning of next year. >> shepard: so how to avoid that. >> the president and congress will either fail together or we will succeed together. >> there has to be a deal. there has to be an agreement....
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but another fiscal cliff was on the horizon, and that is the debt. but they also want to do, timothy geithner said, we are going to take away from congress approval of raising the debt ceiling. we can do it on our own. that is an outrage. congress has the power of the not this president to spend more money we don't have. megyn: even alan colmes was on the programs they shouldn't get congressional approval for that. but where is the republican proposal? they say that they want to close loopholes and get rid of some deductions, but when it comes to big issues, which is paring back spending, what are they proposing? over the weekend, mitch mcconnell, the senate minority leader, he offered a few nuggets and i would like to get your thoughts. he said increase the medicare eligibility age, ask wealthier americans to pay higher medicare premiums. and possibly paring back the cost of living increases, giving to social security beneficiaries. those are three specific so we have heard so far from the gop side. what are your thoughts on that? >> i think that is
but another fiscal cliff was on the horizon, and that is the debt. but they also want to do, timothy geithner said, we are going to take away from congress approval of raising the debt ceiling. we can do it on our own. that is an outrage. congress has the power of the not this president to spend more money we don't have. megyn: even alan colmes was on the programs they shouldn't get congressional approval for that. but where is the republican proposal? they say that they want to close loopholes...